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consider my position unreasonable here. democrats don't like voting for the debt ceiling when the republican's president, but you never saw the situation in which democrats suggested somehow that we would go ahead and default if we didn't get 100% of our way, that's just not how it's supposed to work. >> sean: hearing that i can't help, but be reminded of obama's record on the debt ceiling, obama himself in 2006 when he was a junior senator from illinois who opposed raising the debt ceiling. that's right, barack obama, america's lecturer in chief scolding republicans for linking to the debt ceiling. here is what the anointed one said in march of 2006 leadership means the buck stops here, instead washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today on the backs of our children and grandchildren. america has a debt and a failure of leadership. americans deserve better i therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase america's debt limit. obama as senator did precisely what he's saying should not be done. but obama being obama and doing so, well, he's demonstrating his insuf
. >>> raze cline, my friend, there is a vote on the debt ceiling tomorrow, and i want to know -- >> there is? >> did you know? what's your over and under on that? >> i think it will probably pass unless boehner is going to get badly humiliated again. i was shocked by what they did. in the textbook of what they're doing, they are not lifting the debt ceiling. they are putting into the bill that instead of lifting the debt ceiling, we are suspending it, so we are saying that for this period of three months the debt ceiling gets no higher, it just does not apply. it has magically vanished. we live in a sane political world in which we no longer have a debt ceiling. in addition to basically saying we don't have enough sort of leverage on this to fight on it, they have also set the precedent of you know what we can do, make the debt ceiling disappear, and then nobody has to vote on raising it. i think they should do that for a little bit longer. like forever. >> it is smoke and mirrors. i really don't think the world republican necessarily applies to many of the members in the house republican ca
who made the point at the press conference yesterday well, you voted against the debt ceiling in 2006 so what's the deal? look this is -- 2010 -- 2011, after the 2010 election, the whole tea party wave was the first time that you saw republicans hold it hostage. and say unless you do what we want we're not raising the debt ceiling. democrats have never done that. they may have had a problem with the way the mechanics work but they never pushed an entire movement together and said we're not doing anything until you give us what you want. that's not governance. i don't think that's what any constituent wants at the end of the day. >> bill: i forget now i used to have that number at the top of my head. how many times under george w. bush -- >> 19 times. they voted 19 times. some $4 trillion they raised the debt ceiling 19 times under bush. without a peep, without a squeal. regular, standard votes. >> bill: no demands. >> no demands at all. >> bill: no unless you do this, we're going to shut it down. just 19 times. and now it is pure politics with barack obama. and i thought the president
votes in the center to raise the debt ceiling without any kind of -- chris: are they jumping shark on this? >> i think so. i think the public is certainly sick of it. and i also think the business community doesn't want to hear anything about shutting down the government. chris: you're the expert. i real me mean this. people advise me on making financial decisions. they think the economy looks pretty good. don't mess it up. >> it does look pretty good, as best we can tell. the one thing to remember is it's not just the debt ceiling. it's these automatic cuts that are scheduled to take place march 16789 the debt ceiling isn't their only opportunity to try to get the president to agree to cuts. there are looming deadlines. so i think the republicans will get obama to agree to some cuts, even if we don't have a really economically damaging showdown. chris: how are we going to deal to entitlements? i don't think liberals want to do much. who is going to do it? >> we don't have to do it immediately, and that's an important point. conservatives don't either. the conservative base right n
position, by asking them to vote in three months when the debt ceiling has to be raised again. the white house said to be encouraged but a provision calls for cutting pay for the chamber that does not passes the budget. some democrats not happy. and house minority speaker nancy pelosi saying it's a gimmick, unworthy of the challenges we face and the debate we should be having. the message from the american people is clear, no games no default. for more on this, i would like to bring kristin. what is the white house saying about the issue? >> reporter: craig, they are saying that they are encouraged by the fact that house speaker, john boehner, is putting forward a proposal that increases the debt limit without an equal amount of spending cuts. that was his long-held position a and he is abandoning that position, and saying that he will increase the debt ceiling for a period of three months and in that timeframe, the congress has to come up with a budget and that is a win from the democrats standpoint, but they do not like the idea of increasing the debt limit in increments. the question
these tough votes, if they want to put the responsibility on me to raise the debt ceiling and happily take it, but if they want to keep this responsibility than they need to go ahead and get it done. gerri: if they don't can the president by passed the congress using the 14th amendment? for a corrupted by former federal prosecutor joins us. read this so that people can get a sense of what it says. the validity of the public debt of the united states authorized by law including pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion should not be questioned. it sounds pretty dramatic. >> the 14th amendment, we all remember from high-school kamal is a reconstruction of manila in 1868 after the civil war to plan the most abortive things that it did was granted full citizenship to african-americans, thus overruling the dread scott case. gerri: but that's the word talking about here. >> put that aside. section four was enacted having to do with the debt stemming of the civil war. gerri: which were headed for the south. >> because france and england loaned money to the confedera
the debt ceiling? >> the ultimate impact is the president will have to make some tough choices, but this is a guy who says, do as i say, not as i have done and you correctly point out he voted against raising the debt ceiling. suddenly the table has turned. if he was smart he would be more conciliatory to republicans instead of on-duty challenging them. gerri: far from it. the president says the responsible thing to do. making a like the republicans still want to do anything responsible for are not concerned about the nation's debt. what would be the consequences of letting the debt ceiling just -- not paying any attention to it? would it be hazardous? is this going to be something bad for the country? >> not necessarily. gerri: let's let brad answered. >> what happens is overnight the government has to go to a balanced budget. consider we have deficits of a trillion dollars plus. that is not an easy task even for those of us at the cato institute you want a dramatically smaller federal government. it does not mean default. the federal government is collecting ten times as much
, the house votes on whether to raise the debt ceiling. this bill comes amid a change and strategy for house republicans who decided not to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip in the fight to cut spending the the vote including a provision requiring congress to approve budgets and withholding pay for lawmakers until that happens. urn the legislation, they suspend the debt ceiling through may 18th, and congress raises the by whatever debt was incurred at the time. i don't know how you do that. just expand the ceiling. just not going to pay the credit cards. we don't care. meanwhile, as the dead line approaches, there's a chance the tax refund could be at risk. joining me is the managing direct for wealth health financial planning. rich, great to have you on the show. here's the deal. so congress has enough money to go through february 15th, mid february, about the time everybody starts trying to get the tax refunds. they file taxes. now, i know you are against refunds, but do you think it's possible they delay refunds? >> i'm hopeful it's not. i think the reality is congress will do the
. there has been hip pock chris at this on all sides on this. republicans have voted against the debt ceiling increase. democrat president. dome kratz like the president voted against raising debt limit when he was in the senate and there was republican president. there is hypocrisy all over the place. what was particularly bothersome from the president we didn't hear from him any suggestion of where he wants us to go to solve the long-term problem. i go back to what we all understand is the cause of the problem here and that is entitlements and we need structural reform. melissa: last word real quick, we have to go. >> we'll never get to entitlement reform with a gun to your head that is what is happening with the debt ceiling. >> we didn't get to it fore then. melissa: great discussion. next on "money", a stunning number of americans are using their 401(k)s to pay for every day expenses. a top financial planner said you couldn't make a worse decision. he is here to explain. we also asked for some other options if you're in this situation. >>> plus, dand for gas is falling to lows not seen i
: retreating or regrouping? house republicans putting to a vote raising the debt ceiling for three months, but are they backing off of their demands for spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit? with more on this, grover norquist, president for americans for tax reform. great to have you here. other republicans doing the right thing? >> i think so. there are three tools the republicans have to force obama to focus on spending, which she does not want to do it and will do unless forced. first is the sequester which starts march 1st or 2nd. that is a hundred billion dollars per year. that is the real cut in spending that will happen. the other one is the continuing resolution which starts march 4/7. we have a continuing resolution. they are the republicans that can put obama on a very short leash and only give him a continuing resolution for a week for two or three. cut the spending each time. those are two very powerful mechanisms. gerri: you don't in addition of the purse strings on the debt ceiling to use that at the a lever and give the president to stop spending? >> i didn'
the president about this you know, historically the debt ceiling because it oftentimes difficult to get votes in congress to pass a debt ceiling, has often been accompanied by fiscal or deficit reduction measures. back in the '80s, the '90s and even in president's presidency himself he has signed four laws raising debt ceiling. three were tied to some sort of fiscal management, legislation itself. but the president now says i'm tired of negotiating all those things, raised the debt ceiling and then i will get on with other conversations with you about dealing with the sequester, the across-the-board spending cuts and other budget related issues. but not until you take care of the debt ceiling and get that off the table that was the president's principal message today and he got a lot of conversation about why not negotiate. he said he's to the going to. we'll leave it there at least for the time being. >> rose: what will the republicans do, will they shut down the government. >> no, not over the debt ceiling. they may over the continuing resolution this is not their best vehicle. my guess is
rid of the debt ceiling. most countries don't have a debt ceiling. you still need votes from congress to authorize spending. you couldn't just borrow willy nilly anyway. the simple fact is the debt ceiling is the one time in the legislative process where you actually get a bill. everyone having all this contest of whose analogy is right, whether it's a family with a budget, whether it's this. or that, whether it's dining and dashing as the president likes to say. the debt ceiling is the moment you get the credit card bill and it's the only moment. and if you can't have a sort of reckoning about your spending habits when you see your credit card bill you're never going to have that reckoning. i'm in favor of it. i'm in favor of any speed bumps towards more spending and this is as good as any. jon: the president was talking about it at his news conference the other day. i want to play something that he had to say and get your reaction. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, social security checks and veteran's benefits will be delayed. we might not be abl
voted for refusing to raise the debt ceiling in 2006, talking about president obama. >> let me give you a history. when i came to the congress in 1977, one of the first days i was there, tip o'neill saw me, said, you look like a nice young guy, we need somebody to carry out the trash. he said carrying out the trash is passing the debt limit increase. i spent five years. this is a crazy story, doing little else than going to my colleagues in the domestemocraty to get a vote in the debt ceiling. everybody wanted to vote against it because it could be used against them in the election. everybody knew it had to pass and every time it would pass by one or two votes after i worked on it for weeks and weeks. i said, this is crazy. everybody knows you have to pass it, you already spent the money, like going in a restaurant and saying, i don't want to pay the bill. that's cracrazy. we passed something called the gephardt bill when you pass the budget, you pass the debt ceiling automatically to accommodate those budget figures. yes, you're right. this issue raises all the deficit issues. it shoul
including raising the debt ceiling, which the house expected to vote on tomorrow. in the inaugural address, he made history as the first president to mention the word "gay" and "gay rights." >> if we are truly created equal surely the love we commit to one another mutt be -- must be equal, as well. >> there will be one more party tonight, the obamas and friends celebrate with campaign and white house staffers at inaugural ball where supposedly lady gaga is performing. >> the president is sworn in on two bibles one from martin luther king and the other from abraham lincoln. traffic and weather, together, next on the abc7 morning news. here is the golden gate bridge, dry as a bone. but maybe, maybe, maybe there is rain in the forecast. >> and a deal to sell sacramento kings so they can move to seattle. the ripple effect that >> welcome back, almost everyone is just a bit warmer than yesterday so we do not have as frost. 32 at concord and fairfield is 31. upper 30's around the bay to 40 in oak and 47 in san francisco. this afternoon, low-to-mid 60's with filtered sunshine because of the high
getting word that as expected the house will vote on the debt ceiling limit for another few months, pushing it back to may 19. the report on this possibility yesterday in washington for the inauguration, this this might be a face-saving gesture on the part of republicans to gather their duffs and buy some time with a president who at least for the time being is more popular than they. what do you make of the timing of this vote? -- and what they will gain? >> i think the republicans were concerned about public perception of them not doing anything and i think it's a bad idea. i mean, i think this kicks the can down the road. move people say, we want a solution today. we don't want to keep having this conversation. every couple of months, we talk about the debt ceiling, what good is a ceiling if you keep raising it and you don't make spending cuts to keep yourself under that number? it has no purpose. >> neil: i want to take a look at the corner of wall and broad. many argue the reason why it was up 62 points is the fact that, whew -- it's a relief they won't bring this to the brink
own terms an increase in the debt ceiling of $1.5 trillion in two years. the budget they voted for requires the debt ceiling to be raised. and now when the time comes to avoid default, they don't want to do it. but i think what you're seeing is speaker boehner knows this isn't a viable tactic. i think mr. ryan knows it's not a viable tactic. but there's a lot in the republican conference that continue to see this doomsday kind of approach as a viable approach. and i think that cooler heads are starting to prevail on the republican side. and that's a good thing. >> and you are part of this no labels coalition wanting to reach across the aisle. but let me read to you what david brooks wrote. polarization is too deep, special interests are too strong. the negotiators are too rusty. republicans are not going to give up their vision of a low-tax america. democrats are not willing to change the current entitlement programs. so realistically, do you really believe that the next four years are going to be different than the last four years? >> well, you know, i don't have a prediction.
. many of us on the democratic side voted for $1.2 trillion in spending cuts and got a debt ceiling increase. president obama made it very clear we are not negotiating over the debt ceiling again because we have to pay our bills. we have to give certainty to our economy and we have to focus on deficit reduction in a balanced way so we can protect the middle class and working families. >> doesn't this give the progressive movement an opportunity in the next 90 days to really send the message to congress, leave the big three alone? get your money somewhere else? it would seem to me that the republicans are going to go after that in the next 90 days, make the case that the entitlements are really the problem in all of this. this campaign is going to continue on. >> it will, absolutely, continue on. i think we have to acknowledge that medicare and medicaid is a contributor, significant contributor to our deficit. and there are savings that we can squeeze out. we've already added eight years of solvency into medicare through the affordable health care act we were able to get. in his $4 t
the president won the election. >> republicans on capitol hill are not voting to raise the debt ceiling without getting something in return. they say in order to approve a higher debt limit, they want senate democrats to do something they have not done in four years, pass a budget. >> for us to have a debate about spending and debt we've got to have the focus be on a budget and what we're going to do to achieve a balanced budget over time. >> senate democrats view a vote as an opportunity to raise more money through taxes. >> it's going to be a great opportunity for us, because in our budget that we will pass, we will have tax reform which many of my republicans like but it will include revenue. >> the increase will likely happen tomorrow. >>> one other provision of the debt limit vote is either chamber of congress fails to pass it, the members will not get paid till they either pass a budget or until the 113th congress expires at the end of 2014. >>> the big question for football fans around here is, are you going to the super bowl? >> for most, the
the president did likely to win this one. he'll say what he needs to do before the debt ceiling comes up for a vote. >> clearly a lot of confusion about that. cuba's new law easing travel restrictions began today pechl are taking advantage of it. >> they stood in long lines outside travel agencies and the u.s. interest section.g1u in havana. animalla lifts do not expect a mass exodus but they have questions in recent weeks. >> bee jirngs china facing an air quality emergency. look at the pictures. 62q calling pollution there hazardous saying this is the worst it's been in china. residents saygjhr there is a burning smell in the air smrks highways are closed and flights, cancelled. pollution blamed on the rapid inr industrial growth. and a rise in car ownership. just to give you an idea of how bad it is, the air pollution indmechl beijing is at 755. now, anything over a scale of 300 is considered an emergency. by comparison the scale in the united states doesn't go over 500. >> royal baby news, duke and duchess's baby expected in ju. a spokesman for the palace says her condition is contin
president himself, when he was in the senate, voted against the debt ceiling, these people that he is suggest want the country to go into default are doing the same thing when he was a senator, he changed his mind. absolutely not. did he vote against. he has spoken to that that was a political vote answered has learned from that but at the time, congress wasn't threatening to say we are not going to pay our bills unless we get what we want, deeper cuts in medicare than required or tank the economy. this false equivalence needs to stop. the barrier to progress here is not the president. we need more republicans in congress to think like republicans in the country who are seeking compromise, seeking balance, because we are poised here to really grow. if washington can do its part and not get in the way, our economies continue to grow, we can make big progress. >> this a president we are going to see, hey, he is reaching out more than he did in the second term or is this a president who largely has said, no, i need a larger army. i need to use my campaign machinery and rally the peopl
for the debt ceiling proposal. that was from the last time the house republicans threatened the country with defaulting on our debt back in 2011. dennis ross, you probably should have calibrated your place in line a little better. throw a democrat in there ahead of you when you realize that's what you're going to get. get there in time for the repeal prohibition amendment next time. that's more fun. if you have found yourself at home constitutionally -- forgive me, constitutionally incapable of getting excited over having another fight about the debt ceiling this year, if this isn't exciting because it just feels like groundhog day to you, oh my god, i've got reckless brinksmanship fatigue, it is true that it's hard to get excited over something we have done before. it is 2013 now. remember when it happened it was a total disaster. even if you just ignore the political consequences, if you just look at the economic impact, it was a self-imposed economic disaster caused by washington refusing to do something that it needs to do and that it has done dozens of times before. republicans jus
to the debt ceiling perhaps in a few months. he says he is not sure when the timing of that vote would be, he only says sooner rather than later. connell: republicans have become of this retrieve a message that resonates with working people and says william berg is just group therapy. chris used to be al gore's press secretary, says the spectrum represented right here. i will allow you to go first for a little bit of fun. what do you mean by that? >> after the election were told republicans were going to do some soul-searching for the record low numbers of minorities that had voted. what we're seeing now, just heari justheard a few moments ar program that half the country holds a negative view of the republican party and the tea party is having its lowest level rating in history itself. this is a party right now that is in some serious, serious trouble. unfortunately it doesn't seem as though they're taking a very serious approach to addressing the issues in the country. it is good they have had a good first step agreeing on the debt ceiling, but it seems to be only a first step. connell: the
a meeting today on the debt ceiling. they are taking a look at how the past has voted to raise the limit. the committee is examining the constitution to see if it provides options for the president when the deal is reached. tomorrow, the house will vote on increasing the debt ceiling so the u.s. can pay its bills through may. if congress approves, pressure falls on senate democrats to pass their first budget in four years. without one there could be a partial government shut down at the end of march. congressman mike honda is making a pitch. i will explain his proposal when i see you next. back to you. >> thank you. >>> great economic news just coming in right now. u.s. home sales rose to a five- year high last year. that should bode well for the markets. dow jones is down a little bit. right now, the nasdaq also down, but the s&p s&p, posting a little bit of a -- but the s&p posting a little bit of a gain. >>> >>> a young girl is dead, several others injured after a strong earthquake rocked western indonesia. the 5.9 quake struck in the area prove vern overnight. the aftershock came abo
ceiling. in a big shift today, house republicans said they will vote to lift the limit for three months, but on the condition that the senate passes a budget. wall street liked this idea. the dow finished up almost 54 points to hit its highest closing level since december 10th of '07. nasdaq finished with a small loss. s&p 500 was up 5 points. also at five-year highs. >>> in washington tonight, it's starting to feel like a city that's about to host an inauguration. for the 57th time in the history of our republic, and host hundreds of thousands of people on a cold monday in january. our white house correspondent, peter alexander, is in lafayette park across from the white house, in front of the reviewing stand tonight. peter, good evening. >> reporter: brian, good evening to you. those are the best seats in the house, for a variety of reasons, including the fact they have heat. that's where the president and the first family will be watching monday's parade. the second obama inaugural is expected to draw roughly a third of the nearly 2 million people who came here four years ago. ♪ it
and future generations. the president has said, ", if congress is going to tie the debt ceiling votes, which we have never done in our history, i will not play that game. the president needs to have somebody around him that knows the truth. that poor man is being lied to. all you have to do is look back in our history. every cut -- every time there was a cut in spending, it was often tied to the debt ceiling negotiations. go back to 1985, to 1990, 1993, 1997, 2010. speaker pelosi, in 2010, with president obama, tied a pay-go provision. she did it. why is it so wrong that the republicans want to do that in the house, like speaker pelosi did? let's get responsible. but the president doesn't even remember two years ago when speaker pelosi did that. somebody has got to help this poor man understand recent and distant history before the rating agencies say, you know what? we used to think the rule of law was going to help the u.s. economy and help the federal government get around to taking care of its debts, but these guys don't even follow the rule of law anymore. and as far as what the economi
in less than an hour. >> expected to tee off a vote on the debt ceiling bill. what's their new plan? we'll go live to washington next, and even with the immediate threat of the debt ceiling ahead, another's contrarian view coming up. >> chip murky's quarterly result are due out now. those numbers coming up as we continue on the "closing bell." . ♪ into a scooter that talks to the cloud? ♪ or turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. there. i said it. they don't have pictures of my kids. they don't have my yoga mat. and still, i feel at home. could it be the flat screen tv? the not so mini fridge? ♪ the different free dinner almost every weeknight? or maybe, it's all of the above. and all the rest. am i home? nope. but it almost feels that way. homewood suites by hilton. be at home. >>> all right. they are teeing off this new debt ceiling bill. john boehner will be housing a meeting with key republican leaders at 5:00 p.m. eastern time. >> reporter: >> that's coming
are talked about gramm-rudman. it was attached to a debt ceiling bill. i was among the democrats who voted for it, but it passed -- it was deemed passed in the house. and the debt ceiling bill was used by senators as a vehicle, not as a threat. and not for leverage but as a vehicle to attach deficit reduction. so the use of the debt ceiling for the purpose that is ascribed to this one does not have a history that supports its use for this purpose. and so to the extent that you have the ability to look at this issue, i would urge that this is not only a dangerous precedent but a very likely problem for the economy when we need to emphasize economic growth and jobs. so i say that in a somewhat sober way because of what happened before. thank you. >> thank you very much. i'd like to welcome mr. brady, former chairman of the house administration committee, who's joining us today and our new chairman -- chairwoman candice miller, will be recognized at this time. chairwoman. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and i also am delighted to see you sitting in the seat there and welcome to the new members of
to call it over the debt ceiling. republicans say they are not going to vote to increase the debt ceiling even though they did so 19 times with no strings attached under george w. bush. they won't do so again this year unless they get massive cuts in social security and medicare. why should we be having this fight after all? shouldn't we just pay our bills as the president says? >> you know, i just wonder if these individuals also when their credit card bill arrives say, no. not going to pay it. >> they might. >> i am not going to pay it. we are spending too much money. so i am just not going to pay my bill. really? it's it's like a non-secquitor. these have been racked up by congress. they have proposed those expenditure. now the bills are due. to put any strings attached to it is kind of nuts. >> . >> what's the way out of it? >> there are six numbers of congress including myself today introducing a piece of legislation to just scrap the idea of the debt ceiling which no other country in the world has. it's an unnecessary encumbrance that the ide
are not voting to raise the debt ceiling without getting something in return. they say in order to approve a higher debt limit, they want senate democrats to do something they have not done in four years, pass a budget. >> for us to have a debate about spending and debt, we've got to have the focus be on a budget and what we're going to do to achieve a balanced budget over time. >> reporter: senate democrats view a budget vote as an opportunity to raise more money through taxes. >> it's going to be a great opportunity. in our budget that we will pass we'll have tax reform, which many colleagues like but it will include revenues. >> reporter: the house is expected to approve the debt limit increase tomorrow. susan mcginnis, cbs news, washington. >>> today is the 40th anniversary of the supreme court ruling that legalized abortion. in 1973 the roe v. wade decision said a woman has the right to abort a pregnancy setting off a national debate. today a pro choice group will hold a rally and walk in los altos, a demonstration against female enslavement at cit
as a matter of fact on wednesday. they are going to vote on increasing the nation's borrowing limit the debt ceiling as it is called. okay wednesday they are going to do that vote. the senate pass a budget with spending cuts in it. that is when the kum ba yah the happy talk here on capitol hill may go back to a little more firstier talk. shep? mike emanuel on the hill tonight. perspective what lies ahead for president and the congress. dana perino the white house press secretary for president george w. bush. that's coming up from the journalists of fox news on this monday fox report from the nation's capitol. inauguration night. martin luther king jr. day. it's great to have you with us. just like that. right in the old bucket. good toss! see that's much better! that was good. you had your shoulder pointed, you kept your eyes on your target. let's do it again -- watch me. just like that one... [ male announcer ] the durability of the volkswagen passat. pa down something he will be grateful for. good arm. that's the power of german engineering. ♪ back to you. [ bop ] [ bop ] [ bop ] you can
, there will be a vote in the house of representatives, the republicans want there to an votes on the debt ceiling and delaying or expanding the debt ceiling and giving lip to 9 debt ceil for another two or flee months. we will be back in the thick of things in a few minutes but today we catch our breath. >>shepard: a lot of breath capping to be done. john bussey live with us from the "wall street journal" and steve, over to you, steve. well, steve is otherwise engaged i am now told. back to evan, presidential historian and live with us from new york, the president just got back into the limousine and will come to the reviewing stand behind us. i guess this is an important day for us to remember who it is we are and what we espouse to be and send a message to the world but more than anything, isn't this good for the kids on martin luther king jr. day to have the african-american president coming for his second inauguration? there is hope for a lot of people wrapped up in this man who may not have had hope before. >> there is hope for a lot of people wrapped up in this man. the constitution talked
had word that gop controlled house might have a deal. might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the heavy side today. if you think that is good news pushing the debt ceiling out for stocks and i think generally would you look at it as good news, it certainly is fairly muted here. as for the major indices for the week, what simon was just talking about, there are deeper cyclical changes. big industrial names have been generally outperforming and that is very good news, if you think the global economy, those stocks would more closer would the global economy. >> you get this, this real tight hugging of the flat line friday. monday, tuesday, wednesday
to be a tougher vote for republicans on the debt ceiling. will he get 25 or 30. >> john: alex we have 20 second left. let me ask you some republicans are talking about another government shutdown. do they not remember howed about that came across in 2011 not to say what newt gringrich did? are they getting desperate. >> well look, some of these republicans want to send the white house a message the message is they're serious about doing this. they'll tell you that their constituents want them to send a strong message to the white house. if they don't they could risk a primary in their own strict come next year. it makes the most season to potentially force a government shutdown. >> john: good guys. michael tomasky and isaac and alex isenstadt. here a cheap, there a cheap, everywhere a cheap... you get it. so, what if instead of just a cheap choice you could make a smart choice? like, esurance for example. they were born online and built to save people money from the beginning. it's what they've always done. not just something they cheap about. that's insurance for the mode
. is that what he's trying to do on the debt ceiling debate as well. >> you can the white house adopt a divide and conquer strategy for quite a bit of time. there are 85 house republicans who voted yes on the bill and created the margin it needed to pass. here's the interesting thing of those 85 republicans who voted yes. 70 of them came from blue states. states that voted for barack obama over mitt romney last november. in other words the white house is defending on some of these blue-state republicans. that means if the white house can drive a wedge between the blue state republicans and the red state presence he might be able to get dicey piece of legislation through the house. >> john: it seems to be a strategy. where does the debt ceiling fit into this? it just ensures that we pay the bills that we already spent. why are they talking about the two issues as if they're the same? >> why do they do a lot of things. but the question as that vote approaches in february or march whenever it's going to be, there are two questions actually. number one will boehner let a vote happen as he did with
tied together the appropriations vote with the debt ceiling rate so the two things were in the same. you voted on them together. >> right. >> you're doing this, authorizing spending and borrowing by authorizing the spending. we didn't have this right? that used to be the norm. >> and one thing i'm shocked about really i think one of the most surprising things to me is nobody is talking about jobs. >> no one is talking about jobs. >> it's critical. >> bananas. >> it is the number one issue where i live and most people live. >> negative job growth. >> right. >> these three-month extensions, this is all about no predictability in the private sector -- >> traffic jams and cockroaches are more popular than congress. >> that's right. >> we want to get people back to work. in answer to your question we need to talk about this. there has been a great fraud perpetuated on the american public. lois pointed it out here. medicare, social security, have not gotten us into the financial crisis we are in. this is all about an attempt to turn social security over to wall street and turn medicare ov
, sir, finding votes for the debt ceiling can sometimes be complicated. you, yourself, as a member of the senate, voted against a debt ceiling increase. and in previous aspects of american history -- president reagan in 1985, president george herbert walker bush in 1990, president clinton in 1997 -- all signed deficit reduction deals that were contingent upon or in the context of raising the debt ceiling. you, yourself, four times have done that. three times, those were related to deficit reduction or budget maneuvers. what chuck and i and i think many people are curious about is this new, adamant desire on your part not to negotiate, when that seems to conflict with the entire history in the modern era of american presidents and the debt ceiling, and your own history on the debt ceiling. and doesn't that suggest that we are going to go into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about how to resolve this? >> well, no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult, and budgets in this town are always difficult
a vote to increase the debt ceiling is unnecessary. it has served the purpose. back in 1939 that was enacted into law to try to create some flexibility so that the nation could obtain more favorable financing so we go from time to time, and you make increases in the debt ceiling to accommodate the need to borrow money to pay for the spending that you've already authorized, but now that is being used as a political weapon. one of my colleagues said that they've weaponized the statute, and using it for politics and it is hurting our fiscal situation. it's hurting our economy and we simply do not need to allow one side to use it to extract spending cuts. ooh really hurting our economy. >> congressman, we'll have to leave it there. georgia democrat hank johnson. thank you. >> thank you. >> it's a problem that affects a lot of people in america, obesity, but there's one segment of the population where it's reaching epidemic proportions, but an online movement has started to help fight the crisis. i'll talk to one of the founders of a really cool group. you're watching msnbc. ♪
the republicans were down and out. think again, the house will vote for a three-month ceiling on the debt seen and comes with a price. g.o.p. leaders said they would vote for the extension, but that the measure would also require the democratic controlled senate to pass a budget and if ne do ththey fail that, pay for lawmakers will be withheld. and we've got to look at the house and spending problem. no budget, no pay. joining me now with reaction. congressman david schweiker and walldon. i was skeptical when i heard the republicans are giving in already. i had a couple of discussions this weekend, and some of your colleagues, explain the rational. number within, they say sequestration that's cuts are going into effect and force the president and senate to come one a budget and the senate didn't pass a budget in three and a half years. i liked it more when it was explained to me. is that about right. >> i think it is, sean and about time the senate did the legal responsibility of passing the budget we passed one each the last two years we'ven been in the majority. the ryan plan laid out how to
a vote on the debt ceiling. so it just -- >> on wednesday. >> only gets better. >> yeah. at this point, we are in the middle of a process of governing that's going to get very hot very fast this week with the debt ceiling vote in the house and potentially a filibuster vote in the senate. the president speaking to some of those matters at least in the second inaugural. not a state of the union but had a lot of specifics in it. you are watching msnbc's live continuing coverage of president obama's second inauguration. we'll be right back. have given way to sleeping. tossing and turning where sleepless nights yield to restful sleep. and lunesta®(eszopiclone) can help you get there. like it has for so many people before. when taking lunesta, don't drive or operate machinery until you feel fully awake. walking, eating, driving, or engaging in other activities while asleep, without remembering it the next day, have been reported. lunesta should not be taken together with alcohol. abnormal behaviors may include aggressiveness, agitation, hallucinations, or confusion. in depressed patients, w
term. >> the house is getting set to vote on the republican debt ceiling proposal tomorrow. that delays the debt ceiling increase or increases the debt ceiling really until may 19th. it is contingent upon both houses of congress passing a budget or members of congress won't receive their paychecks, something the house votes on tomorrow. back to you. ashley: rich edson in d.c.. rich, thanks very much. tracy: well, president obama touched on many subjects in his inaugural address yesterday including immigration reforms, equal pay for women, and gay rights and climate change but there was one big, glaring omission. he failed to address the nation's current 7.8% unemployment rate. i'm not really sure how you could miss that actually. a big question to the speechwriters with that one. but important milestones coming up in the protracted fiscal negotiations including big vote tomorrow on the house to temporarily extend the debt ceiling now. many americans are wondering what legislators plan to do about jobs. joining us from both sides of the aisle, republican congressman trey gowdy from south
's debt ceiling through may 19. that vote is set for tomorrow. congressman paul ryan, last year's republican vice presidential nominee, said today republicans want to shift the focus to enacting a budget, with major spending cuts. the senate is going on four years now for not having passed a budget. we think this gives us the time we need in this nation to have a good, thorough vigorous and honest debate about what it takes to get our fiscal house in order and about how to budget. families budget. businesses budget. our federal government should budget. >> ifill: the bill also says if lawmakers don't enact a budget with spending cuts, they won't be paid. in the senate, democratic majority leader harry reid declined to comment on that provision, but he did say that, in general, he welcomes the house move. >> i'm very glad that they sent us up a clean... they're going to send us a clean debt ceiling bill. the other stuff on it will athat when we need to. i'm glad we're not facing crisis here in a matter of a few days. >> sreenivasan: president obama said he wanted a longer-term ex
the debt ceiling for three months until april 15. but there's a catch: they say within that time the senate and the house must pass budgets outlining their spending priorities for the year. now, that may not sound very difficult, but as republicans like to point out, senate democrats haven't passed a budget since 2009 and republicans say if they don't do so by april 15 then all members of congress should stop getting paid. >> pelley: but, nancy, why would the republicans abandon their demand for dollar-for-dollar spending cuts in exchange for raising the limit? >> well, in part they were worried about getting the blame if there was a default. this way they shift the burden to senate democrats to come up with a budget and they can still call for more spending cuts in three months when this comes up again. in the meantime, everyone gets a bit of breathing room which is why the white house may not have shot down the plan today-- even though they, of course, prefer a long-term extension of the debt ceiling, not just three months. >> pelley: nancy, thanks. president obama is about to begin his s
's debt ceiling. top republicans say they will now vote next week to raise the government's borrowing limit for another three months, without demanding immediate spending cuts. they are hoping the move will get democrats involved in the deficit reduction debate by passing a budget by april. >>> and former new orleans mayor, ray nagin, who promised to crack down on corruption, has been indicted on corruption charges. nagin is facing 21 counts, including wire fraud, aun money laundering. mark greenblatt has this story. >> reporter: indicted for construction. the one-time former rock star mayor of new orleans, stands accused of what he campaigned against. >> this state and this city, is saying to the old-line politic toes, we're tired of the games. >> reporter: it's a striking fall from grace for ray nagin, as the justice department indicts him for awarding lucrative contracts and kickbacks in vacation hot spots. he's accused of pocketing more than $200,000 in describes. and the indictment even charges nagin for trying to pocket cash for himself, as the city struggled to recover from hur
, the white house says they are going along with a debt ceiling deal proposed by the republicans, to vote on it tomorrow. i hope he's not needlessly anticipating success on the part of the republicans. your reaction? does it surprise you? >> no, it's floating for three months, right? then hit the barrier in three months ago. the inaugural drags, if you noticed, no olive branch here to everyone educational departing, besettle all scores. this four years, we settle all scores, stick it to the republicans, and everyone who said that i was not from this country, the birth is out there, they are taking this personally. it starts at the top. it's going to trickle down with every new jacket he's bringing in to the administration. it's personal. we settle the scores. that was the theme. >> i'm not going there, but as an american citizen, i'm sick and tired of the extension after extension after extension. if it was the private sector and were not getting it done, just pass the deadline, they would be firedded. this angers me so much. can we get a resolution to the issue? lou: do you agree? fire h
're going to have a vote to extend the debt ceiling. they say they will raise the $16.4 trillion cap enough to extend the debt ceiling to mid-may. on march 1st, you have the sequester, when the spending cuts will kick in. about $85 billion of cuts automatically to defense and domestic spending. the risk there is a drag to the gdp. on the 27th, current law on the government funding runs out that forces a drama over a continuing resolution, or you face the risk of a government shut down. on april 15th, that's the date by which the house would force congress to pass a budget or see their pay cut. the risk there, of course, is members of congress might have to go quite some time without a paycheck. tyler? >> thank you very much, eamonn. >>> the gop originally wanted to tie the debt limit raise to spending cuts. so are republicans backing down as some in their own party say or is it just a shift in tactics? scott garrett is back with us, a republican from new jersey and vice chair of the house budget committee. welcome back. great to see you again. >> good to be back with you. >> happy new year.
a rather radical view of what it means to raise the debt ceiling. >> we made a mistake when we increased the debt limit the first time and gave this guy all the money to buy votes with. we shouldn't make the mistake now. >> this is a guy walking into a crowded room and saying i have a bomb strapped to my chest. and if you don't give me what i want, i'm going to blow up everybody, including myself. that a credible threat? well, there are some pretty crazy people there. it might be that they're willing to do it. but by the same token, obama cannot give into. this. >> fortunately, president obama showed no signs of giving in today. >> what i will not do is to have that negotiation with a gun at the head of the american people. the threat that unless we get our way, unless you gut medicare or medicaid, or otherwise slash things that the american people don't believe should be slashed, that we're going to threaten to wreck the entire economy. >> or to put it more simply. >> the issue here is whether or not america pays its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> republicans, oh, they love to
a bill to the floor this week, a short-term raise for the debt ceiling debate until may, and stop paying members if the senate doesn't pass a budget. how will you vote on that? >> well, look, what's good about this is at least the republicans recognize increase the debt ceiling is something we need to do. but in fact, three months is not good enough. it really is unacceptable for my opinion and i think most of the democrats, because there are plenty of opportunities for us and we should really be looking long-term how we can reduce the deficit and deal with long-term sustainability for medicare and medicaid. those are issues that we have to look at and i believe we will and we have opportunities to do that around the budget, around the sequester, of course we will have to deal with in less than, well, six weeks. and we should. the debt ceiling, we need that certainty for the markets, for our economy. we know what happened when the republicans played around with not raising the debt ceiling in august of 2011. the economy was deeply hurt. we're in a recovery and we certainly should not let
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spending, not only raising revenue, but growth in the economy. and you know? this debt ceiling issue is just crazy. i stand -- >> was it crazy seven years ago when your democratic colleague voted against raising it? was it crazy then? >> well, except it wasn't real and this is real. the last final -- >> real is in the eye of the beholder. >> no, no. >> i guess it's -- >> it was more -- you know that those past votes were more symbolic, but when we really had a crisis over the debt ceiling in 2011, there were real consequences. real lasting consequences, and we didn't even -- we did raise the debt ceiling in the end, but we saw the deficit grow, neil, when there was this threat to -- and so as i said, the coke brothers, the u.s. chamber of commerce, against the debt crisis. >> i always appreciate your coming on. you give as well as you take and i appreciate that. congresswoman jan. >> a warning about the healthcare law. unite health care says its costs are running up. all rise. the judge says your premiums are about to do the exact same thing. so, i guess we shouldn't be surprised. pr
and texas instruments. house leaders are expected to vote tomorrow to extend the debt ceiling deadline until may 19th. the gop measure doesn't specify an amount, but would lead let the government borrow what it needs to meet its obligation for that period. the strategy shift was agreed to last week and would let republicans focus on other fiscal fights in march such as ook automatic spending cuts delayed by the deal and the potential resolution. julian callow is still with us. julian, do you take this news as a positive development for markets or are you concerned about still the prospect of a government shutdown as others are calling for once we hit some of those further deadlines? >> yeah. i think that is quite positive, really. it shows that there is some desire not to up the vote too much on the side of the house. republicans at this stage. i think it's actually very important if we think about what it means for both financial markets and for the u.s. economy. obviously, financial market conditions have improved noticeably. there's less uncertainty around. that should come through in ter
pad wasn't even invented yet. >> congressman, you're going to vote on the debt ceiling. when you make that vote most people believe it's a concession, and you have a new legislative strategy. do you believe you will be able to force a budget by april 15th? >> well, i think the american people expect a more accountable, effective and efficient government. the number one thing all elected officials to do to pass a budget, every household does it. how can you plan for the future how can you do anything the president says he wants to do about investing in the future if you don't have a budget? you can't invest for your kids' college, you can't set aside what you're going to pay for your house payment or anything. the government has to pass one and the senate has not passed one in almost four years. that has caused a lot of the debt and the uncertainty we have today. >> what's going to happen in the house that will force the senate to pass the budget. >> the first thing that will happen is we'll do a short term debt limit increase so it will go to the senate and if the
ceiling and republicans in congress are going to vote to raise temporarily the debt ceiling on wednesday. it seems the president has the upper hand, and maybe that's why his speech was so darned tough. >> well, look, there's no doubt that being the president of the united states gives you the biggest bully pulpit there is in the nation, and i think he realized that and he is using it. part of that speech yesterday talked about taking it to the citizens and having the citizens continue being part of this process and pushing, but you know, with the debt ceiling, i think republicans were actually trying to extend an olive branch and found themselves rebuffed yesterday. if we had said pick the most controversial, divisive issues in the country right now, they are the issues that president obama chose to speak of yesterday. he's got a state of the union coming up in a couple of weeks. i would have expected that that would be a place where he laid out his agenda, his priorities, his specifics but i didn't expect it in yesterday's inaugural, but again, it's his speech, his party, can he cry if
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